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Track Down Part 5-4 - “Moving Beyond 2012″ - Discussion!

by Andi on October 29, 2008 · 17 comments

TRACK DOWN

FINAL SEGMENT

Part 5-4

Moving Beyond 2012

Discuss!

The latest addition - AND FINAL SEGMENT - to the TRACK DOWN Series now added. This blog post is for you to comment about this TRACK DOWN course final segment.

To view the course online now click the link below:

TRACK DOWN: Mayan Calendar 2012 Connection Course

Enjoy the adventure!

Andi & Jag



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1 cyco 10.29.08 at 11:14 am

Andi,

Great info as usual. I’m sure you have read just about everything there is to read on the subject. It’s really unfortunate that the Spaniards felt they had to destroy the Maya libraries to impose their own belief system. The three or four codexes that remain have posed more questions than they answer. Your teachings rely heavily on what others think. What I’d like to know is what YOU believe will happen in 2012, or 2011. I’m sure you have your opinions, and I’m sure we who follow your lessons would like to know what they are.

2 george 10.30.08 at 2:26 pm

Hi Andi,
Thank very much for the track down series which I must say is remarkable.

Andi you are a very special person and you have put together a series of videos which I find incredible. If compared to the usual history channels or even the alternative you might find on the web you win hands down. The presentation is quite unique I have never seen this before on the net it is first class and it is obvious the care and attention to detail and research that has gone into it. My goodness you even proved old Jung wrong! Stand up and take a bow Andi!

Earlier in the series I was left wondering what your motivation was but now I think I might just be getting to know you just a little bit better. I really can see you sitting up at 4am it must have been so exciting for you. For me you come across as a very honest person who speaks the truth (my favourite word) I also have to admit that final video has left a bit of a dent in my thinking, you see I wanted to get to 2012 and say …A HA!…. I TOLD YOU SO! But alas it wont be possible unless I live another 592 years…hmmm….maybe 8 more lives?

I read today that Australia is proposing to censor the internet if they get away with it then it’s only a matter of time before Europe and US follow I must say I find this very worrying. They say they are doing this to protect children and of course the usual terrorism cod. What would it be like if we were cut of ? what if they flag this site as inappropriate? The internet is the best thing we have ever had and they know it!

Andi, I forgot to mention ….I just love your melodic tones.

3 agoodman 10.31.08 at 12:48 pm

Hi Andi,

What a great piece of work you’ve presented us with in the Track Down series. It’s my aim also to debunk our modern day mythologies around the Mayan Calendar and 2012, and clarify our understanding of what we can know. While the Track Down series has great value, I do feel that it confuses an issue. You’ve shown conclusively how the end of the Mayan Calendar does not mark the proverbial Shift of the (Zodiacal) Ages, but as I understand it in my truth (gained thru personal observation, verification and experience) it does mark the end of something truly significant - the end of a 5125 year age of fear and separation. As a calendar of the cycles of Creation, cycles which are rapidly accelerating, the end of the calendar marks a time of infinite creation. Ok, so what on earth does that mean? I would say that to understand this one has to have an understanding of the nature of consciousness, the nature and laws of creation, and the nature of evolutionary process. As parts of Creation, we are the whole of creation expressing itself as a part. Yes, every single one of us, even though we feel separate from each other, is All-That-Is expressing itself locally in the illusion of separation. We Are God.

The Galactic Underworld is the Apocalypse (a Greek word meaning the lifting of the veil). The veil on our consciousness is lifting. What’s being unveiled is our own true nature and identity. As I see it, what the ending of the Mayan Calendar is all about is nothing less than the coming of Christ/God/Creator/Cosmic-Consciousness in all of us. That means all human individuals will remember being everything and we’ll experience ourselves as that, timeless and whole, while fully holding onto our unique individual self, free of the fear that currently separates us. And as we identify with our true Creatorship, we will consciously co-create any reality we choose, free in what William Blake called ‘The Divine Imagination’.

That is my truth. I won’t be drawn into the exact circumstances or the exact timing of this shift in consciousness, but I’m keeping my eye on the calendar and it does seem to be tracking the shifting energies of creation very accurately. However, as Carl Calleman himself has said, this is a gestation period, and as with any pregnancy, there is a due date, but it’s not set in stone. The real key for me has been to use the calendar as reassurance that everything’s fine, that nothing’s wrong, and that the outcome of life is assured. From that place of assurance it’s up to us to consciously participate in the final leg of the most amazing journey we’ve been waiting billions of years to complete.

4 saddhen 10.31.08 at 3:11 pm

Dear Andi & Jag. Once again Fantastic. So many new viewpoints on old established untruths. My eyes and heart are now more open as a result. I hope this will all be available on DVD so that it can all be reviewed from time to time. Blessings Saddhen.

5 maxim 10.31.08 at 3:58 pm

Hmmmm. Andi; I sense the best is yet to come now that you have so fully articulated that which the “end date” is not.

AGoodman; Bullseye!!

I could not have put it better myself, my understanding given my experience and inner knowing, is that the calendar is a map or blue print of the divine plan and that any attempt to link this with physical mechanistic event/process is really missing the point (of course it can be done as we all evolve within the space time continuum with a physical focus). The paradigm shift is of consciousness, simple yet complex in the process. Key to this is understanding or embracing of the very subtle difference between creating and co-creating as we remember that we are all an aspect of divinity (I AM) expressing.

Blessed be we as we remember this reality, resolve the paradox and reclaim our sacred integrity.

6 vermont88 10.31.08 at 6:32 pm

Masterful detective work, Andi. Definitely worth the wait.
In an effort to get a pulse on where we are at here in VT right now I attended a 2020 visioning event last weekend and right now the Earth Spirit Conference - Wisdom for Changing Times (aka ‘2012 fixation’). Apparently, we’re missing the mark quite substantially. As you have so clearly pointed out. In these cases anger and resentment at current conditions delivers more of the same. Why is it so hard for us to imagine what we would like to create? And I include myself here too. What are we afraid of? Letting go current perceptions so new ones may arise.
This week news of the Oneness Movement plans to open their first American center in, you guessed it, San Diego. (What do you know that we don’t?) The avatars’ vision of 64k enlightened people being critical mass for the desired global consciousness shift and the neurobiological shift necessary to get there. Now we’re visioning!
May you continue to ferret out the truth wherever it is hidden. Thank you for sharing your enlightening discoveries.
Many Blessings

7 Sirjimalot 10.31.08 at 8:40 pm

I just want to thank Both of you for lifting a Veil that has been around me ever since I first began to intuitively know that there was more to God, the Uiverse, and Creation than they taught me in sunday school as a young boy.

Supression of knowledge is one of the greatest acts of brutality man can commit against mankind. The deliberate sidetracking and manipulation of facts runs a close second.

As we have already wittnessed, because of a deliberate manipulation of facts, our own House of Congress was decieved into chooseing a course of action which has resulted and continues to result in the needless loss of thousands of our brothers and sisters. And for what? Materialsim!

It was through my discovery of the Dreamspell Calendar that I found my way to the real facts behind what took place on this planet hundreds of years ago. The discovery that the astrological data and charts I had been studying was all based on incorrect data stemming from a choice someone made centuries ago to manipulate the facts. This has lead to the eventual deception of millions throughout the ages and I believe created a false paradigm.

The discoveries I have made through going through the 2012 Trackdown course have totally given me a whole new look at the world I live in. Now I can begin the exciting journey of discovering who I really am, and why I am here, at this point in time. You have recalibrated my paradigm and set it right. For that I am eternally greatful.

A whole new world of possibilites exist for me. I now see areas in which I can assist in not only the healing of our planet, but also ways in which I can help liberate humanity from the needless depenance on fossil fuels which are destroying out planet. There is great danger in shareing knowledge that makes peoples lives easier and even more dangerous when it cannot be taxed or regulated. The illusion of scarcity results in high prices whereas abundance means FREE of cost. I realise the great personal danger I put myself in and with that in mind, I venture forth knowing that my work will lend a hand to the many other healing hands and will make this world a better place.

I look forward to the Journey with you guys. I do have specific questions but will send them in an email as you requested.

In Eternal Light and Love
Jim Mc Fadden
Executive Producer: Movies For A Better World

8 Thea Hollett 11.12.08 at 3:07 pm

I have enjoyed your series, and have no doubt the long count calendar is marking a spiritual shift, rather than a physical shift. Though I loved the video, I would like to point out that your argument of the precession would only apply if the Maya knew the Babylonian/northern hemisphere focus.
The start of any age must surely look different to a person living in Mexico or Guatamala, especially when they view their world only from that spot. While I agree that precession is an earth based phenomenon that the Maya were not particularly interested in, you have to base your argument for the ages and the dates of the shift from the point of view of a central American before it can be used to debunk any theories about Mayans.
I also don’t agree that where something is in the sky does not affect us. I am not saying that planets or stars have more power over our lives than we do, what I am saying is that the planet or star in the heavens at the time of our birth or spiritual evolution is based on our choice as to when we are born.
The stars in the heavens at any given time are based on where we are, and when we are looking. That is a choice we make, whether it is this life or a previous one.
Further, the stars, the planets, the sun, the heavenly bodies, are all beings, and have as much influence on us as your sister or brother. Not power over us, because we determine the voice and time of appearance that influences us, but certainly they do have a synchronistic effect. Because we are all one, the effect is created by us, by our thoughts, by our beliefs and by our projections. Yet, as long as we choose to be victims of reality instead of creators of it, the car, the moon or the sister all have an effect that we think is real.
Thus what I am saying is, Ages do effect man, or the Galactic Age coming soon, that Carl Calleman talks about, as recorded on the Coba stele, would mean nothing. And you and I both know that it is coming true so fast and furious that it is obvious the Maya knew exactly what they were counting down …
They were counting down when the rest of the world would be ready for them and their wisdom. They were counting down to the day when we would become ready to hear and see the truth: that we are the Creator. They were counting down the time when they would come back and claim their power without fear of the ignorant. How do I know? Quetzalcoatl told me.
Bless, Thea

9 dorge 11.14.08 at 5:15 pm

Dear Andi,
I’ve now watched your installment 5.4
We feel that the whole point of incarnating physically on ths Planet Earth is to explore & learn more about the interaction between consciousness & physical manefestation including the external technologies created.
Therefore we have to disagree with some of your statements in part 5.4 regarding the interactions between consciousness & material posessions, from our point of view each very much does affect the other, reciprocially.
Unfortunate & regrettable as it is, we feel that many of your statements & conclusions are erroneous & therefore misleading, creating further obstacles to the ascension process presently taking place on this Planet. After further review & overall consideration of your course, with regret we have to inform you we can no longer endorse it.
With kindest regards

10 Andi Mac 11.25.08 at 8:57 am

Dear dorge - Thank you for posting. I’m glad you took a moment to do so. You know, we all tend to compare what we hear to what is already *known* (so to speak) so little things can easily get missed. Maybe it would be worth watching Part 5.4 again… or…

What we’re talking about here is what has been imposed onto the Mayan calendar that has no real connection to it. The Mayan calendar is not about physical movements of anything around anything else.

This point can get difficult to wrap the mind around but not because it’s really difficult… rather because there a pre-supposed idea that gets in the way.

Since you don’t detail what you found erroneous or misleading I cannot speak about that. But I would of course be very happy to do so.

- Andi

11 Andi 11.26.08 at 1:30 pm

agoodman: a great post. Apparently I was waiting for this moment to reply :)

May I use your words and comment in conversation with you then…

Yes, every single one of us, even though we feel separate from each other, is All-That-Is expressing itself locally in the illusion of separation. We Are God.

We are God. Is that true?

How can we be something when we don’t know what it is?

A quandry.

I hear this said often… and yet does it lead to clarity - to some idea about what it is we are? In my experience it does not.

There is NO question something of magnitude is under way. But is it my job to be God? Thankfully, it isn’t but I - and you and every single person - has a job to do that is uniquely our own. And it’s worth doing.

What’s being unveiled is our own true nature and identity. As I see it, what the ending of the Mayan Calendar is all about is nothing less than the coming of Christ/God/Creator/Cosmic-Consciousness in all of us.

Okay. This is a well spoken and it’s worth noting here that another clue to what’s currently going on is - as you put it later in your post - a “birth” and yet birth is something else too… something disturbing… and that’s death.

To be born into the Earth world, the infant DIES to the uterine world. This is a profound thing to consider, since this cannot be skipped over, bypassed or skirted around. For what is new to come - what is old must pass away.

A rather significant aspect of what we’re all invited to in this phase of the unfolding plan… is to die.

Now, don’t take that to mean physical death - that’s not what I’m talking about. When it comes to consciousness awareness this death is internal. It is the inner Wo/Man that must die for a new Wo/Man to emerge. Not particularly comfortable and potential terrifying if one has no teaching ideas to work with.

And as we identify with our true Creatorship, we will consciously co-create any reality we choose, free in what William Blake called ‘The Divine Imagination’.

Why would we need to co-create reality?

Reality is quite readily available to work with if we are willing to see “what is” without super-imposing anything upon it. To super-impose what you think reality should be over what it *actually is* (and reality shows itself to us every waking moment) - you leave yourself no choice but to immediately go to war with what is. THAT’s pure suffering.

The fact it’s so painful is the indication that we’re believing a lie …and trying to live that lie. When I say “a lie” I’m talking about the thought that anything should be different than it is - as it is right now in this moment.

It is this singular error that creates such difficulty and conflict in humanity today.

Reality couldn’t be more perfect than it is. There’s not a speck out of order. What is it in the *dream* could possibly be better? Would you prefer to dream of your lover or be with them day-in day-out? It’s no different with reality. It’s right here for us to see all the time - we just want it to be different than it is and can very easily dream our lives away.

There are no words to express how much you are treasured. Don’t stop. Don’t pull back. Don’t hesitate. Post again and let’s reason together….

- Andi

12 Marie 02.04.09 at 2:15 am

I have astrological questions here.
I now can differentiate the three Zodiacs (tropical, sideral, galactic) and that (in a western astrological chart) our Sun may be in another sign (in my case instead of Aries, Pisces, which feels right to me) but what about the Moon?
Does that mean the Moon in a chart is also in another sign in the galactic Zodiac? And what about Houses? Are they also wrong? My guess is that Houses stay since Ascendant and Descendant is connected to the relationship with Earth and Sun from our point of view, only the Signs of the Zodiac are incorrect.

Please can you confirm or correct my guesses!!

Thanks a lot

Marie

13 Marie 02.04.09 at 2:30 am

Addendum:

i was just thinking that in order to find the position in the galactic Zodiac of the Moon in Sign in a birth chart, you may have to take the same angle that it has in your tropical zodiac chart.
So for example: if i have a trine between my Sun and Moon, then i just keep the trine and put the Sun in the correct sign, which for example in my case would give a Sun in Pisces with a Moon in Scorpio.

Could that be correct?

Thanks a lot for your feedback

Marie

14 Andi 02.05.09 at 6:19 am

Hi Marie: Your questions are certainly good ones.  An article you will probably find interesting and useful about the astrological House Systems in use today can be found right here.

I would highly recommend that web page as a starting point in your own investigation. 

It would stand to reason the Moon is not correctly placed either. However, that isn’t something I would be certain about. My interest has been less on the Moon and more on the stars and planets with regards to Precessional movement.

If you find something of interest on the page I’ve given you here, it would be great if you came back here and posted your findings… - Andi

15 kirby 04.03.09 at 12:27 pm

Hello,
At the end of 5.4- I,m looking forward to seeing you on the other side.
Go ahead and click the button now. = no such page.   Where do i go from here?
     thank you.kirby

16 Andi 04.03.09 at 4:19 pm

Hi Kirby. Thanks for the post. You’ve alerted us to a broken link there. We’ll be working on that in the next couple of days. Pardon that! I’ll post the new link here for you when it’s ready. - Andi

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